IJHC: That¹s interesting, because often times it¹s the other way around. The doctors need the sort of feedback that you can give, Nina, in order to trust their intuition.


N: And that¹s what the value to both of us has been. We have some people who are very conscious but don¹t understand what¹s going on in their body; and we have other people who come because they have problems with their body and they don¹t even know that they have other levels to work with. So, it¹s a real give and take, and it¹s a real weaving of the worlds.

I feel like my expertise has always been in the non-physical and I pretty much shied away from the physical. And Trisha has been so grounded in the physical and, even though she was aware of the other levels, neither one of us really embraced the other levels full time. So, it was just two pieces that seemed to fit. When you put the two pieces together there was a much more complete, big picture for everybody to explore.

That connection has expanded. It¹s like Trisha¹s medical community is now building the medical center that they need so badly. And the medical center is now opening doors for us to have experiences with doctors who then come to this center to have a place to work and study. So, the initial connection has woven so many more connections.

Marc is very good at computers. So, while he is down there helping with the construction as they expand the medical facility, he also helps them expand their computer system. If somebody gets hurt on the job in our community, they go to the medical center for help. So, its been interesting to see how it¹s all being bonded and blended together.


IJHC: That¹s absolutely lovely.


Trisha, you mentioned that you had some energy familiarity before meeting Nina.


T: Well, I had experienced strong intuition throughout the years myself, so I knew that was there and was a potential. I had never personally felt that I had developed it very well but I had been studying mind-body medicine for about twenty years. Then I was led to study the work of Caroline Myss and have been to several of her workshops. So, the ability to have intuition and to feel other people¹s pain come into your body, and that type of thing, was something that I was familiar with from studying it, but I hadn¹t had close contact with a person with that ability.


IJHC: So then you started working together. Would people come to you, Nina, and then you¹d refer them to Trisha, or the other way around?


N: Actually, it¹s been both ways. She would get patients through the clinic where her intuition would say, "This is someone that I could bring to Nina and we could explore further what¹s going on." I¹ve had clients, for example, who would come here for intuitive readings about their lives and all of a sudden I would realize that Trisha had come in to offer her contributions in addition to what I had been doing. So we started sharing clients and patients.

A lot of my clients and friends grew up with me in the spiritual realm. We¹re now getting of an age where having physical problems is not unusual: menopause, arthritis, and that sort of thing. So, it was wonderful for me to be able to refer him to Trisha in a physical arena and vice versa. This was another shared experience.


T: I had been studying holistic medicine, and in particular, nutritional medicine, so I know the herbals and vitamins for alternative practices, when to recommend acupuncture, and things like that. Together, we have a pretty wide array of things that we can offer.


IJHC: What other mind-body medicine modalities have you used, Trisha?


T: Well, I studied Ayurvedic medicine for several years and Qigong and Chinese philosophies, and I had always incorporated some type of bodywork. I¹d been in the Holistic Medical Association (AHMA) since 1990. So, every year I would go to either the AHMA Conference, or the Conference at Hilton Head sponsored by the National Institute for the Clinical Application of Behavioral Medicine (NICABM), which is focused around energy medicine. They offered a lot of workshops that were really helpful to me


IJHC: Were there individual experiences with people that stand out as landmarks of working together? From my experience, clients come and they teach me as much as I teach them. I think that is a question for both of you.


T: Well, there just have been so many. It seems like everyone we work with has some important shift in their consciousness. Of course, we are all together with the session, so we get an experience out of it as well.

There have been so many - everything from an 88-year-old woman with terminal congestive heart failure whose life was definitely enhanced by a session, to a man who was on oxygen all the time who was able to come off his oxygen, to the woman with liver disease who had such complex symptoms and medical problems that it was very challenging, even for Nina and me, to help her sort it all out.


IJHC: Could you expand on any one, or several of those? You are touching just the tip of the iceberg as you mention them.


T: There was a man, let¹s call him "Joseph," who had chronic lung disease with recurrent pneumonia. He had pneumonia so often that he was in the hospital a lot and needed oxygen all the time. He also had a constant tremor in his hand that was very annoying to him. Nina could sense that at age 19 Joseph had had a near-drowning experience and she invited him to talk about that. He responded that, no, he really had not had a near drowning experience but he had been in the boat with his best friend fishing and the boat turned over and his friend drowned. Joseph didn¹t get hurt himself, but he lost his best friend. We traced his lung trouble back to that point, back to that age.


IJHC: In terms of his having symptoms?


N: Yes. It was the guilt. The imprint of that drowning and his own feelings of guilt went into his lungs and he actually carried that guilt and trauma ever since then. Joseph was in his late 50¹s when we saw him.


N: And, it all went away. He doesn¹t have any lung problems anymore, and he doesn¹t have the tremor anymore.


IJHC: What did you do that helped?


N: I think taking him back to the point where he took it on. Getting under that root and releasing it so that he could be free to live his life. There was always a guilt. Almost like he had to carry the burden. Joseph took it on as if he was responsible for his friend drowning. It was an amazing experience. Now, he doesn¹t even remember all those years of having lung problems. That¹s the amazing part. I¹ll see him at the clinic, you know, he¹ll come in to get a flu shot and I¹ll say, "Well, how are your lungs doing?" And it¹s like he has no memory of the years of stress he went through.


IJHC: That¹s wonderful. What was the release like? How did that come about?


N: Effortlessly.


IJHC: Did you tell him about the underlying problems? Was it an energetic thing?


N: I kept picking up the year intuitively - the time in his life. I think he was 19. I kept picking up what I thought was a near-drowning but it was his friend that drowned, not him. Getting him to talk about it released a lot that he had been carrying all those years.

We did three sessions together. The first one cleared the tremor completely, and it was just focused on the energy of love. It wasn¹t anything that I did. It was just that loving presence. Then, the second time he was acutely aware that the tremor had gone away so he felt more safe and more open. We got close to the memory but didn¹t quite get to it. Then he had another bout with pneumonia and had to go to the hospital. When he came the third time he was ready to go to that place where it all began and he got under it. Frankly, I had no idea it would be such a permanent release. It¹s been two years.


IJHC: Did you see what happened, Nina, and then reveal it to him? Or, did he come into the memory? How did that work?


N: I just kept saying, "Do you remember anything around when you were about 19 years old?" At first Joseph said, "No." Then I said something like, "I just keep feeling like there was a near drowning or something." He got real quiet. It was like he allowed the memory to come in and he said, "Oh, yeah, something did happen when I was 19 years old." And he started talking about it.

Once he started talking about it, it¹s like. . . what happens, Dan, is like this presence, a presence comes in. And if the person¹s intention is truly to - we¹ll use that word, "heal" - and he is ready to let go of whatever reason he created it to begin with, then it just goes away in our presence. It¹s a vibration. Its just a level where the healing, where the problem never was.

IJHC: So, energetically Joseph released a pattern that has kept him ill.

Nina, do you have any understanding how the spiritual or the emotional connect to a problem like lungs and a tremor? Why those particular symptoms?


N: Well, in this case, his lungs were carrying the imprint of the drowning.


T: And the lungs are what carry grief.


N: In Chinese medicine, the lungs are the repository of grief.


IJHC: Okay, so that fits in well with the Chinese medicine pattern. And so, once he released the memories and that energetic pattern, then his lungs cleared.


N: Totally. To where Joseph doesn¹t even remember that there was a problem.


IJHC: And what about the tremor part of it?


N: A lot of times the tremor is there when we carry fear and tension and guilt, and all kinds of negative emotion. The energy gets blocked and after a certain period of time our natural energy just doesn¹t flow. Tremors are a part of that. You know, when you are really afraid, you tremble. When you do that over a period of time and it builds up in your system, it can be very natural to have that kind of a tremor. That¹s not the only thing that causes tremor, but in this particular case, he probably just shut down a level of his natural energy flow. It¹s like he didn¹t feel like he deserved to live fully because his friend had died.


IJHC: In a case like this, isn¹t this man wonderfully fortunate?!

Could it be that all of this has been choreographed at another level, marvelously, for Joseph to come to you, Trisha, where the Chinese medicine makes absolute sense of his lungs being the focus of illness, and where, Nina, you offer the path into the memory - while a conventional doctor would really have had a hard time with this?!


N: Well, Joseph had been going to doctors for 30 years.


T: All his adult life, he¹d been in and out of hospitals over and over and over.

Dan, it just feels like our work together was meant to be. There are so many people that I take care of and have for years where I now know that what Nina has to offer them will not only help them, but will help me understand. So, together we can offer a bigger picture.


N: Or vise versa. We had "Sheila" who came from California and spent ten days with us. Having a medical doctor on board to work with her definitely helped the whole picture. Sheila, who was 34 years old, had been suffering from a chronic problem all her life.


T: Well, she actually had two problems. One was ulcerative colitis since age twenty. So, Sheila was on chronic predisone, which causes its own problems after you¹ve been on it for twenty years. The last year she had been also having much difficulty with a really horrible cough that she could not get rid of - a harsh, non-productive cough that just wracked her body. This was very disturbing to her life.

When she came she said if there was one problem that we could help her with, the cough is what she really wanted to work on. She¹d seen a lung specialist and had all types of tests - including CAT scans - and no one had ever been able to come up with anything.

Nina and I worked with Sheila. While she was here she had to extend her stay. She was here ten days instead of a week because she arrived with the flu and so she was acutely ill for the first few days, pretty much bedridden, and didn¹t recover enough so that we could start to do the work until the third day or so.

In examining Sheila and prescribing for her flu symptoms, and just talking with her, I gave her medication which completely eliminated her cough. So, she was impressed that this small country doctor could give her a shot that would make her cough go away when she had been seeing all these specialists in California and no one had ever done anything effective.


IJHC: What was it?


T: Well, I just gave her a shot of a steroid that I¹ve used in my office for people who have an acute respiratory infection that includes a persistent cough. It¹s just one thing that I have found that works really well. The other thing is, I have a lot of experience because I¹ve done so much outpatient medicine with just the average person and have seen so many different diseases. Being a family practitioner, I had some formulas that I know work. This particular medicine may not be used often by her doctors in California, and it¹s difficult to get these days. I just happened to know something in my world that worked really well for her.

I must say, that really got her attention, and we had two very good sessions with Nina. Not only is her cough better, but her ulcerative colitis is better and she feels like she¹s going to be able to get off her prednisone for the first time ever.

What helped? Was it the shot? Was it the session? Was it being here in the community and working through some of her stuff? I don¹t know what helped. I¹m definitely not taking credit for the shot that much.


N: It was the combination of everything. You know, because she stayed here at the house ten days and got to see patterns in her life that gave her stress. She also worked with not being so much in her mind, but more in her heart. It was the complete ten-day experience. She has completely changed. Her whole life has changed.

We did some inner work, getting underneath some of the family stuff that probably created the colitis to begin with, so it was a full experience.


T: But I have no idea which part did what.


N: It may just have been her intention to finally do some deep work, to see if she could find a more complete healing process.


N: Here¹s another example. When Judith came, about a year and a half ago, she had been having problems for eight months with a leg condition. And no one had prescribed an anti-inflammatory medicine. I mean, it¹s just going back to simple medicine.

One specialist was prescribing blood thinners, and the other specialist was objecting because blood thinners were being prescribed. She was totally frustrated after eight months. She came here and spent the week. I worked with her energetic patterns and Trisha examined her and prescribed simple anti-inflammatory medication. Within days, she was better, and has been free of any leg problems since.


IJHC: I think the fact of your working together harmoniously, and being able to offer different views and perspectives, has to be really helpful to people to see that it can be done.


T: Well, it feels helpful to everyone. It certainly feels helpful to me, as a physician, to have someone help me see it from a different perspective.


N: Remember "Don?" He has changed so much and he has integrated so much of just the little bit that we taught him. He sends us clients all the time now.

We had a mini-workshop here a week ago and Don¹s intuition is opening up and it¹s wonderful to see it growing. He takes his intuitive impressions to a certain point, and then if he feels if he doesn¹t have quite the confidence or the ability, he sends them on to us. He¹s learning to do more and more by himself.


IJHC: It¹s wonderful that you can help people learn to use their intuition like that. I spoke with Don and he said his learning has been transformative.

I¹m sure that the two of you have also experienced some transformations as you¹ve worked together.


N: Oh, gosh, yes.


IJHC: Can you talk about any of that?


N: Well, I¹ve decided that the physical world is not such a bad place. For me it¹s just opened dimensions of myself. I guess what it¹s taught me is how humans perceive. I¹ve spent so much time in the spirit world that I had kind of disassociated a lot with everyday human life. So, it¹s interesting to have the opportunity to sit with people who I wouldn¹t exactly call "super-conscious," but are very real. It¹s given me opportunity to work with people who would never even know what a metaphysical teacher was. They come with what seems like very rudimentary, physical problems. But then they also get a chance to experience the energy and the vibration.

About three weeks ago Mary brought us her challenges. She had just been diagnosed with hepatitis C, and is going to have to make a decision between now and June whether to take medicine for this. She came, not even knowing all that we had to offer. On her side, Trish just had a knowing to offer her a session and Mary wasn¹t even sure why she was coming to see me other than her doctor had told her to show up.

She had had much illness, and that¹s how she found her way to Trish. She had been through a lot of problems and operations. Wasn¹t she really sick, Trish?


T: Well, Mary was misdiagnosed by the medical community, so she was really burned up with conventional medicine, but she also needed a primary care physician to help her wade through this decision on whether to take medicine for her chronic hepatitis, and someone to follow her and advise and help, even though she was pretty much turned off by the whole medical community, and very justifiably so.


N: Trisha recommended that we do a session together. When Mary came in, her mind was focused on the question, "How do I deal with the Hepatitis C?" However, in working with her, what came up very clearly was that in her early 20¹s she had done drugs when her first husband had come back from Vietnam. He¹d come back a heroin addict, so she wound up doing drugs with him.

So, she has this belief system that she is being punished for having done drugs. What I was able to do was to get under that belief system. She was doing drugs when she was much younger, to escape the pain of life and to find a sense of herself that was bigger and less painful. She¹s in her 50¹s now.

My feeling was that Mary could change her program from "I¹m being punished for having done drugs," to "I am now finding the positive result of what I was seeking at age 20." This is a wake-up call for her, to recognize that this is a time in her life to find her true self. And maybe the "her" that sought to find herself, when the only avenue she found thirty years ago was drugs, is now at a place where she can actually find herself in a deeper way.

So, we were able to help her change that belief structure from "I¹m being punished," to "I might be being rewarded." When Mary got that piece, her whole energy changed. She just rose to this beautiful person and she started vibrating at a higher level. She could feel this bliss in her body. I recognized that if we could continue to do this work, by June she would know that she wouldn¹t even have to take medicine, because she¹d be at a vibration higher than all that guilt and judgment.

She went away very happy and we just heard from a mutual friend that she¹s doing really well and is very satisfied with what we¹re prescribing, which is to do this work and just continue to love herself.

T: Right. And I put her on some herbs to support the liver functions.

(Mary shares her side of the experience, below.)


N: So, it varies. It¹s all kinds of situations.


IJHC: Trisha, as you¹ve started to work more closely with Nina, do you pick up any patterns that clue you that people are ripe for what Nina has to offer?


T: Well, I just know by watching people go through their process of illness. I usually can get a hint of who¹s ready to look at it in a different way. They come in and they¹re victims - whether it¹s a victim of their circumstances with their lives, or whether they¹re a victim of the medical system, or whether they¹re a victim of a virus. Usually they¹re not quite ready to do the work. I have to wait until they¹re accepting their situation and wanting to do the best they can with that situation. Then, I think, they¹re usually ready.

I don¹t want people to spend a lot of time with Nina before they¹re ready. People have to reach a certain level of discomfort with their life before they¹re ready to make a shift in perception or a change in their lives. I have to sense an openness, and I have to sense a desire on the part of the person to make a change.


IJHC: Are there things that you can do to facilitate their moving in that direction?


T: I often suggest it. I know people that I feel need to have a session. Sometimes I start making the suggestion that there¹s deeper work I feel we might be able to do. I¹ll put that suggestion out there for two, three, or even six months, before we ever do the session. I start putting the suggestions out and working with them to see if they can make a little progress with whatever part of the responsibility they have to assume for themselves before I know that they¹re ready to do the work.

If somebody needs to start just being compliant and taking their medication and they can show me that they can do that, then I can see that they have a willingness to do their part. Sometimes, in medicine, there¹s even that level of nonparticipation by the person. People just come in and say, "Fix me." We can¹t just fix people. There has to be a willingness on their part and the intention on their part to change their life. A lot of the people I see really don¹t want their life changed.


IJHC: Yes, isn¹t that interesting? They¹d like to be free of the symptoms without changing.


T: And a lot of them really don¹t want to be free without the symptoms.


IJHC: Yes.

I have so many questions, it¹s clear we won¹t have time for all of them. I expect from your side, Nina, it¹s easier to refer to Trish. Is it - when people come to you initially?


N: You mean as far as the physical?


IJHC: Yes.


N: Pretty much.


T: Well, if you know they¹ve got physical problems, you usually just recommend that we start out with all of us together.


IJHC: I imagine along the way you¹ve had some people who have just blocked, or where it hasn¹t worked. Do you have any lessons that have come from those sorts of people?


N: Well, the big lesson we¹ve learned is that some people just enjoy where they are. Who comes to mind is "George." He just loves being a martyr. He really didn¹t want to get out of martyrdom. He wanted to have problems where he could suffer and talk about his suffering and be a martyr. It took us probably three or four session before we realized that this guy just gets off on being a martyr, and coming to us was part of the opportunity to talk about his martyrdom. So, in those cases I recognize that some people are still enjoying the course of illness that they are taking in life.


T: And we recognize it a little bit earlier now.


N: Yeah, right! Almost immediately. I think we had an invalid belief system in the beginning that everybody wanted to improve, because that¹s kind of where we stood in our lives. We¹re always looking to improve our lives. So, it took us a few rounds with some people, not so much stuck, as people who just enjoy where they are. There are some victims who still enjoy the story. You know, "my husband did it to me, my mother did it to me." And I¹m not going to interfere. I¹ m wise enough now to know that they need to enjoy their story. I just don¹t need to be in the story with them.


IJHC: Do any other examples come to mind?


T: The work is very interesting and we very much enjoy it. But then usually when it¹s over we pretty much let go of it. We¹d have to go back and look at the files to even remember the different sessions. I know that we¹ve worked with enough people by now that there are a lot of them we could ask if they would be interested in writing up their experiences.


IJHC: I¹d truly be grateful if we could have that. The person who comes for healing is a neglected resource in understanding it.

Thank you ever so much, Trisha and Nina, for sharing your rich experiences in working together.



Mary's Report

Hi,

I will call myself "Mary" in this report of my experiences with Dr. Johnson and Nina Zimbelman.

I was diagnosed with Hepatitiss C two years ago this spring. It was over a year of doctors and specialists to find the diagnosis. A nurse practitioner who was working at our local health department (and who now works for Dr. Johnson) said, "Have you ever been tested for Hep C?" I very indignantly said "No, I'm not spending any more money on blood tests, and wild goose chases." She said, very calmly and firmly "Mary, if you have Hep C, you've probably have had it for years. If you don't find out and start doing things to take care of your liver, you may be too damn sick to get a liver transplant." My response was, "Two this afternoon would be a good time for you for that test."

She called me on Good Friday of 2000 and asked me to come in. I asked her to tell me the news now, , , She said, "I'm very sorry, Mary, but you have Hep C,.."

My life changed forever. . . I spent the next 24 hours on the Internet, freaking out. . . I went into a depression, I felt guilty, I felt ashamed my past had come back to haunt me. I had to tell my two sons, who were 18 and 24 at the time. My husband and my sons had to be tested. I couldn't believe I had brought this horror to my beloved family. I wanted to die and was terrified to die. Luckily, I had always been very honest with my husband and my sons. They knew I had used drugs in my early twenties. My first husband died at 34 of Hep C, after a long battle with drug use. I used for maybe a year, cleaned myself up. I wanted a family I wanted my life to be different. And it was...

I had spent my life dedicated to my family, our business, my friends. Then, I reached late forties and started menopause, and a doctor mentioned my liver enzymes were elevated. I have been lucky, I had never been sick, I have taken good care of myself thru the years.

I ended up at a specialist in Charlotte, who is a wonderful, caring man and we went through many tests, liver biopsies, bloodwork. The final diagnosis was, Hep C, with class three scarring. His suggestion was: Have 48 weeks of interferon, ribfiron, treatment - staggering treatment of shots in your stomach once a week, and pills daily. I read all the side effects, not a pretty picture. But, I wanted to live so on June 4^th of last year I started the program.

On June 7th I woke up screaming with terrible stomach pains, I called the clinic in Charlotte and they said, "This is not the meds. Go to the hospital."

I went to the hospital, explained what I was on and what my diagnosis was. They called two doctors who are gastroenterologists and they admitted me. I lay in the hospital for a week, with a temp from 101 to 104, on demerol, with diarrhea and vomiting. . . Just so sick, I can't explain. Dr. Stack kept saying, "This is the meds you¹re on," while the clinic kept saying, "No."

They did a colonoscopy and discharged me after one week. They said it would wear off. I was home four days, with a temp of 102 to 104. I couldn't eat, I couldn't drink, I slept constantly. My mother had passed away in January, and I had a dream one afternoon as I lay there: The phone rang and I picked it up and it was my Mom, and she said "Honey, you¹re very sick. call the doctor."

I woke up and realized I had dreamed, but I called my husband and stared to cry and said, "I don't mean to be dramatic here, but I feel like I'm dying."

He phoned and literally screamed at the doctor¹s office to help me. (He had been calling for days with no callback.)

So I had another week in the hospital, with tests, tests, and more, tests. . . They found what they called an abscess in my cecum. . . I could go on for five more pages. . . The bottom line is that my appendix had burst that night of June 7th and I never got it removed till October 23rd. . . The infection had gone into a pus pocket that they called "retro-cecal." It took me months to get back on my feet - mentally as well as physically.

I realized I had to get back on my feet, I started doing Yoga religiously, eating healthier, taking lots of vitamins. I started feeling great - physically and mentally. People saw a happy person, pretty much always up, positive. . . But inside I felt different.

A friend who had seen Dr. Johnson suggested I talk to her about alternative treatments for the Hep C. I loved the way I felt immediately when I talked to Dr. Johnson. Her words were safe, un-judgmental. I think she may have been one of the only doctors who did not ask me how I got Hep C. (If she did ask, I don't remember the experience - which I believe I recall when other doctors asked. She suggested milk thistle and an appointment with Nina. I went the following week.

I remember sitting in the room with Dr. Johnson waiting for Nina to come in and realizing for the first time I had no idea what I was about to encounter. This is very strange for me because it's been important to me in the past to "know" what's going on, what's going to happen, etc. I had no idea who Nina was, I just trusted. I had been told that Dr. Johnson believed in not only medical but holistic medicine. I again had been waiting a long time to be put on the Interferon treatment. I was feeling anxious, I kept asking doctors, "what can I be doing?" My doctor in Charlotte said, "Nothing, you¹re doing fine,,,¹" But something kept nagging at me.." I should be doing something" I should be learning more. I had learned more than I wanted to about the treatmentŠ and kept hearing little bits and pieces about "milk thistle, acupuncture, meditation, drinking gallons of water, less fatty foods. But, that old feeling of I might actually have to do my life different. . . WOW, could I???

So, I actually went, knowing nothing about Nina. . . nothing about what she would Do. I didn't know if I was getting a physical. . . But, I've learned in my old age, to go with my gut feeling, and I felt nothing but, "Yes, yes, yes, calm, accepting"

Dr. J gave Nina some background of my experience with doctors in the hospital, and being so sick. Nina smiled at me and said she felt warmth, a bright light around me. . . mentioned I'm a happy person, funny (which I am). But she saw dark in my stomach area, guilt. . .

I started to cry. . . I thought I had moved on from that long ago. But, as soon as Nina said those words, the emotion was there. She talked to me about how what I did is what I did. It made me who I am. Who I am is someone that I love and enjoy, someone who is loved, and valued by others. She said I will know by June if I want to continue the treatment, that I will just know. She added that if I can learn to forgive myself, she believed I wouldn't need to make that decision.

She kept mentioning my stomach area. As I think of my life I think of this volcano erupting, years of sorrow, years of guilt, not letting go, holding in, swallowing it all down. Even the surgery was not enough. Many people have mentioned to me I always had my hand on my stomach, holding my stomach in. I look back now and I think holding it in, after years it took the grip of my hand to hold it all in.

Nina's words of kindness, straightforwardness, encouragement.. kindly saying to me, "It's okay. You¹re okay. This is growing in you, hurting all that surrounds it. . . Let it go. . .

So, I drink my gallon of water, I walk my miles, I do my yoga, I quiet my mind, I take my milk thistle, I'm considering acupuncture, I eat healthy, and I smile, and I love, and I accept and I am grateful.

I do feel that I have finally forgiven myself, I finally get it - that who I am and what I have done has made me exactly who I am. . . Someone that I'm very proud of. . . My experience with those two women that day, changed my life forever. I no longer look down when someone asks me what I have, or how I got it. I look them in the eye, not with attitude but with heart. Not bragging, but what is, is. I'm in better health at this point in my life than I ever have been before. I'm sustaining a weight that I always wanted, too. I'm feel complete. I wouldn't change anything, not one thing.

My sons and my husband all tested negative, but of course they would, because this is about me, my journey.

Mary



Contact:
Nina Zimbelman
Patricia Johnson, MD
Tallulah Health Center
409 Tallulah Rd
Robbinsville, NC 28771
828 479-8300
metamedical@aol.com

Nina Zimbelman
Gleanings Foundation
262 Wisdom Way
Robbinsville, NC 28771
828 479-8300